He looks VERY different than he did since O Brother, Where Art Thou?has he had some sort of stroke or heart attack or some kind of palsy that's affected his speech? He was also nominated for his starring performance as a mailman romancing a lonely widow (Maureen Stapleton) in the 1975 CBS television movie Queen of the Stardust Ballroom.. He tried to perform in at least one play a year. The delay upset Peiper. #HATM.

I'd be interested to learn how he came into show business - his turn in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" shows him to be a gifted dancer. Discuss here please. Charles Durning is indeed a great actor and served his country honorably during WWII, including his landing at Normandy on D-Day. 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Durning appeared in more than 100 movies, in role But it should be possible to ask them whether they have kept a record of this speach. The charge of exaggerating one's military record is a very serious one (see Jeremy Michael Boorda), and needs to be backed up by evidence. The Service Stars (or campaign stars or battle stars) came in bronze or silver. He cried as he related these stories. Before an attack against the Germans on December 21, four days after the massacre, the headquarters of the 328th Infantry sent out an order that read, in part: No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight.. But he definitely does not claim to be a Malmedy survivor. By the time the war ended, the U.S. public knew all about the Malmedy massacre and clamored for revenge. I was crossing a field somewhere in Belgium, he said. He spoke at memorial ceremonies in Washington. German infantrywearing winter camouflage clothing that most of the Americans did not possessattacked out of the ethereal mist, firing burp guns from the hip. NEW YORK (Reuters) - Charles Durning, a World War Two hero who became one of Hollywoods top character actors in films like The Sting, Tootsie and The Best 2. IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source since it is mainly user-edited - just like Wikipedia. Perhaps whoever briefed M. Larrieu "mis-spoke" about Malmedy? Division. They basically said you have no talent and you couldnt even buy a dimes worth of it if it was for sale, he told The Times in 1997. Some fired into already dead Americans, as if to practice their aim. Spearheading the German attack was a remarkable twenty-nine-year-old SS colonel named Jochen Peiper. On that basis everything ever quoted is potentially false - a ridiculous proposition. Michael Dorosh 14:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply], An editor made this edit that accuses Durning of exaggerating his military record. Mr. Steve Karras, among other researchers, has accessed primary sources such as Durnings discharge papers, his medical records, unit personnel rosters and morning reports, Army General Orders, and other records, as well as secondary sources such as unit official histories, to assemble an accurate record of Durnings military experiences. It's entirely possible that Durning (or someone on his behalf) asked for (and obtained) corrections to the original records in the time since his discharge, explaining the additional awards in the 2002 summary and the letter from 2008. I hope to get some kind of interview with him that can be published in order to cite these things, but with his current condition, I'm not sure it can be accomplished. - Are we supposed to believe - as some accounts hold - that after being levied out of the 386th AAA (AW) Bn, after being sent to Normandy as a replacement, after being wounded and after spending five months in a hospital recovering, that Mr. Durning returned back to the very same 386th AAA (AW) Bn he joined in '43? Same for passage saying he was hospitalized for physical and "mental" wounds. WebCharles Durning, a second World War hero who became one of Hollywood's top character actors in films like The Sting, Tootsie and The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, has died, a New York City. [4] Given the scores of thousands of trained infantry replacements prepositioned in Britain in anticipation of D-Day casualties (over 88,000 replacements of all types had been 'stockpiled' in the UK by 7 Jun 44), it defies belief that the Rangers would accept a last minute replacement who was not even infantry qualified. Charles Durning, who overcame poverty, battlefield trauma and nagging self-doubt to become an acclaimed character actor, whether on stage as Big Daddy in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof or in film as the lonely widower smitten with a cross-dressing Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie, died on Monday at his home in Manhattan. He was 89. But then I found a book in Google Books on actors serving in the military (Duty, Honor, Applause) that talks about Durning's service in the Rangers, says some of his fellow rangers were killed at Malmedy but says nothing about his escaping.[2]. Seeing Americans fleeing, a machine gun on the back of a halftrack opened up, cutting down those who stood in the field and those trying to escape. Not surprisingly, Mr. Durnings two Oscar nominations were for supporting roles, as a slippery governor in the Burt Reynolds-Dolly Parton musical The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas (1982) and as a lustful Nazi colonel in the 1983 remake of To Be or Not to Be, starring Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft. By the time the 106th was ready to resume combat operations (25 April 45) the war was winding down (VE Day was just two weeks later) and the division was relegated to running POW camps rather than fighting as an infantry division. Sergeant Beutner then stopped a halftrack that held a 75-mm cannon and attempted to depress its barrel low enough to aim at the prisoners in the field. Review: Will Bunch on the College-No College Divide, Historian Chris Miller on the Amazingand DangerousSemiconductor. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022). Finally, this story about Durning present at the crossroad is running on several websites since many years. He would have been extremely lucky indeed to have survived the Baugnez crossroads massacre. With the skies filled with clouds, Allied scout planes could not get a clear picture of just how enormous the attack was, and frantic reports from infantry units in the area were confused and fragmented. The rest of the Wikipedia article on World War II service is, as others have noted here, quite inconsistent. The men, covered with blood, were hysterical. Asylum Seeker Saved From Deportation By Celebrities Went On To Murder.

Let me recommend this title (see reviews on Amazon.com), a narrative history that relies on interviews with more than 360 veterans of the 99th. Web300 East 5th Street, Perris, CA 92570. corsica ryan homes elevations; joan hopper william hopper's daughter. Never has Mr. Durning's name been quoted in any single book I have read. They must reach the bridges on the Meuse River before the sky cleared and the Allied planes, which enjoyed almost total air superiority, could turn their tanks into smoldering wrecks blocking the narrow roads and halting Germanys last chance at saving itself from total defeat. His daughter Michele Durning confirmed the death. A report from the 12th Replacement Depot has him in England on December 20th, 1944. His work in That Championship Season, first produced at the Public Theater, led the film director George Roy Hill to tap Mr. Durning for the part of a corrupt police lieutenant in The Sting. Two years later he played a beleaguered police hostage negotiator squaring off against Al Pacinos manic bank robber in Sidney Lumets celebrated Dog Day Afternoon., The 1970s and 80s were fruitful years. I'm beginning to wonder about the veracity of Mr Durning's World War II story. Anyone have any further information??? Page contents not supported in other languages. The soldiers of SS-Panzerregiment 1 who did the shooting took great care to ensure no witnesses remained, but as at Wormhoudt (also LSSAH), Le Paradis (SS-Totenkopf-Division) & L'Abbe Ardenne (SS-Pz.Gren.Regt.-25) there were always some who lived to testify against the perpetrators. I would however draw you attention to the fact that this sentence merely concerns the way the event has been related in many books, i.e. Mr. Durning played the prosecutor, a character based on William Jennings Bryan, and Scott, in his last Broadway role, was the defense attorney, modeled on Clarence Darrow. Of course there were other shootings in the Battle of the Bulge, some also by KG Peiper. WebWilliam J. Stepp - 12/23/2009 . Not because I wuld think that Mr. Durning did not do his duty during the war. Is it him, or someone who really looks like him? Time is always important in military operations, but in the Ardennes in December 1944, it was the most crucial factor that Peiper, and by extension the entire Wehrmacht, faced. "Oldbubblehead (talk) 04:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. This message was posted before February 2018. I suspect that Hollywood, took some liberties with the real truth of his combat service. Peiper, who was murdered in France in 1976 by a shadow group of anti-Nazi terrorists who called themselves the Avengers, always claimed that he did not give express orders to kill the prisoners at Malmedy, and he probably did not. This may have been a mistake or perhaps not, but it would explain why an actor, in an age sensitive business, would not want to publicize a World War II war record. I could find no trace of this on the website of the French consulate. He was the sole survivor of his original unit, but he would go

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GVUXh4tQQ&feature=related, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Durning, http://www.historynet.com/massacre-at-malmedy-during-the-battle-of-the-bulge.htm, http://www.consulfrance-losangeles.org/article.php3?id_article=673, http://www.historynet.com/massacre-at-malmedy-during-the-battle-of-the-bulge.htm/3, http://stephane.delogu.free.fr/hs12-07.pdf, Soviet intel and sample on Panther to UK in 1944. Asteriks (talk) 18:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]. As December 1944 began, the Ardennes fell prey to the worst winter weather it had experienced in a generation, with temperatures hovering below 0F/-17C for days at a time. The Allied lines were weakest along a 100-mile (160 km) stretch from southern Belgium into Luxembourg, a place where U.S. commander Omar Bradley took what he called a calculated risk by placing only six U.S. divisionsabout 60,000 menthree of which were untried in battle and three of which were exhausted from months of heavy combat. However, in the beginning of the attack, the Germans possessed the element of surprise and a sense of purpose and directionthey knew what they were there for and where they were heading. In fact, this is what happened. Alongside Paul Newman and Robert Redfords con men, Mr. Durning was a crooked cop in the 1973 movie The Sting; starring with Nick Nolte, he was a dedicated assistant football coach in North Dallas Forty (1979); in the shadow of Robert De Niro, he was a hypocritical power broker in True Confessions (1981). There are links to articles on the medals with pictures of them there. I furthermore noticed that these websites often copy that material from one to the other (which means nobody actually checks the accuracy of that information). Perhaps forty made good their escape into the deepening dusk. --65.190.163.190 02:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Perhaps we can look forward one day to the family releasing some of his personal correspondence that may shed further light. I wonder whether it might be able to get some rock solid sources on this. I wondered which of the two Ranger BNs he had served with during the Normandy Invasion. Charles Edward Durning (February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012) was an American actor, with appearances in over 200 movies, television shows and plays. - At least one account says he was assigned to the 159th Infantry Regiment. Now, the Early life section has been written in a way that claims Frances is a brother, though the cited source (IMDb) does not specify. Also, the alleged false statement was the Durning was the 2nd most decorated soldier of WWII, which Monkeyzpop disputes. In 2008 the Screen Actors Guild gave Mr. Durning its Life Achievement Award, as if to dispel any lingering doubts he had about being recognized by his peers. Up and down an 85-mile (136 km) front, mortars, rockets, and heavy artillery shells literally blasted American troops out of bed or shook the ground around their frigid foxholes. It also shows wounded 29 Jun 44, which is incorrect in comparison with all the med records. Though we may never completely know the truth surrounding the Malmedy massacrewho ordered it, and whether it was at least partly an attempt to stop escaping prisonersthere is no doubt that, in the end, the deaths there stiffened U.S. resolve to destroy the Nazis, and the hated SS, wherever they found them. When the gun crew was unable to do this, Beutner gave up in disgust and waved the halftrack on, much to the relief of the now edgy and nervous Americans in the field. Charles Durning (AP)Charles Durning, a World War II hero who became the king of the character actors, died Monday at his Manhattan home. He described finding Marines who had been literally skinned alive by the Japanese in later island fighting, and admitted killing Japanese POWs in retaliation. That evening, Pergrin sent back word to 1st Army Headquarters that there had been a massacre of some type at Malmedy. Not only has no text been provided from this document, but it sounds like the entire thing was cribbed from this very article. The Malmedy massacre (1944) was a war crime in which 84 American prisoners of war were killed by their German captors near Malmedy, Belgium, during World War II. Durning's best-known films include The Sting (1973), Dog Day Afternoon (1975), The Muppet Movie (1979), True Confessions (1981), Tootsie (1982), Dick Tracy (1990), and O Brother, Where Art Thou? Oldbubblehead (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]. [AlanM1(talk)] 23:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC) (Edited 23:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC))Reply[reply], Oldbubblehead (talk) 23:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply], I have received a copy of Durning's military records from the National Archives. Despite his success, Mr. Durning fought a lifelong battle with himself. Depot/ Repl. In 1996 he fought a courtroom duel with George C. Scott in the Broadway revival of Inherit the Wind, the drama by Jerome Lawrence and Robert E. Lee based on the Scopes monkey trial of 1925. --Chuck Baggett (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], Cheers.InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], Recent edits have removed a reference while asserting a claim "from IMDb" about Mr Durning's ancestry. But some quick Google searches, including this database of citations: http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/04_SS/2_WWII/indexes/army/Army-D.html does not contain the name Charles Durning. By the wars end he had been awarded a Silver Star for valor and three Purple Hearts, having suffered gunshot and shrapnel wounds as well. WebWhen beloved actor Charles Durning died on Christmas Eve, journalists unanimously praised the actor's storied war record. Before I make any changes to his page, I have asked for some clarification from the Wikipedia powers that be. Shearonink (talk) 19:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Not so far as I can tell, information does not appear in cited souces. For whatever reason, Battery B proceeded along its designated route until it came to a crossroads about 2.5 miles (4 km) east of Malmedy, which the Belgians called Baugnetz but the Americans referred to as Five Points, because five roads intersected here. Once he had captured this vital port, he could force the Allies to sue for peace.

When asked what he thought his image was, he replied: Image? 68.124.153.86 (talk) 00:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC) GerardReply[reply], Other than his wartime experiences, the article makes no mention of Charles Durning's career pre 1973. A German soldier ran toward me carrying a bayonet. [Durning] was among the first soldiers to land on the Normandy beaches during the D-Day invasion of June 6, 1944, wrote The Washington Post. I am proposing the following as a new section on the Charles Durning page: "Controversy Surrounding Military Service - In 2000, in a retitled revival called Gore Vidals The Best Man, he played an ailing former president who tries to mediate a power struggle between two candidates. - While many individual service records were indeed destroyed by fire, the General Orders which issued Silver Stars were stored at other locations - such as in the unit files - that have been archived at other facilities. WebWho Survived the Malmedy Massacre? And there's the weakness in Wiki; the burden of proof should be on those making assertions of fact; instead, Wiki gives credence to unsubstantiated, possibly self-serving claims made by individuals, that are only bolstered by second and third hand retellings of that same man's stories. Again, Charles Durning is nowhere to be found among these men. I really think that this aspect of the massacre is well documented and available to every historian. The Germans swept them with rifle and machine gun fire, but made little attempt to chase after them. From Trump to Putin: How People Came to Look to Timothy Snyder for Predictions, The Curious History of Ulysses Grant's Great Grandfather, H.W. This area covered the rugged and desolate Ardennes Forest and was mountainous and remote. On May 16, 1946, a year after the end of hostilities in Europe, Peiper and seventy of his men (almost one in ten of the surviving members of Kampfgruppe Peiper) were placed on trial for war crimes connected with the massacre. Never a good student, young Charles dropped out of school and eventually left for Pennsylvania, deciding that his mother, Louise, a laundress at the United States Military Academy at West Point, would fare better with one less mouth to feed. WebIt is now a fact that Charles Durning's war record - including his involvement at Malmedy - has been publicly detailed by the French Consul. But while I don't know Durning and have only met him once, he is close with several close friends of mine, and I asked them to ask him about the Malmedy thing. For example, tankers were returned to armored units, specialist troops (rangers, paratroops, etc.) Stetsonharry (talk) 21:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]. On the other hand I am far from being convinced that the fact this would have been said by the French consul (if it was the case) make it the revealed truth. If his ordinary-guy looks deprived him of leading-man roles, they did not leave him typecast. 159th Regiment. Born: 28-Feb-1923 Birthplace: Highland Falls, NY Died: 24-Dec-2012 Location of death: New York City Cause of death: unspecified. Mr. Durning received Emmy nominations for supporting performances in the mini-series Captains and the Kings (1976), the prison drama Attica (1980) and a CBS production of Arthur Millers Death of a Salesman (1985), in which he played Charley, the sympathetic neighbor of Willy Loman (Dustin Hoffman). As you know, that is a critical difference. Mr. Durning was among the few to escape. Stetsonharry (talk) 22:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply], There was some discussion a few months ago about whether or not Durning was a survivor of the Malmedy massacre. Can we really exclude that the speach could have writen by a lazzy (or gullible) employee who could simply have made a copy/paste of what he had found on a website without making any check? That at least would acknowledge the elephant in the room. I'm guessing the latter was in response to Durning wanting to clarify things in the time leading up to his award from the French on 22 April. And, at 5:30 a.m. on December 16, this blitzkrieg struck the unsuspecting Americans. The book contains a bibliography but no footnotes or citations within the text to explain sources. So, too, were many U.S. soldiers who had done battle in the Pacific, where the Japanese treated U.S. POWs with casual brutality. There was a caf there, as well as three small farms. 03 Apr 2023 01:55:49 Does anyone think that we should request the page to be locked? Charles Durning may not have been a household name, but with his pugnacious features and imposing bulk he was a familiar presence in American movies, television and theater, even if often overshadowed by the headliners. Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota. Set the record straight and, once you have, we can revise it here. The French document being discussed is not. He does not appear in the list of survivors. I repeat one last time, if you "know" - as you insist you do - why don't you contact the French Embassy and get them to retract the statement? Back in 1988 when I visited Pearl Harbor, my guide was a former sailor or Marine (I can't recall which) who had survived the 1941 attack and later fought in the Pacific. He had probably ordered an attack by his unit, which caused the deaths of forty-three Italian civilians in the village of Boves, Italy, in 1943, and in numerous actions against partisans in Russia, his unit deliberately burned villages and killed Russian civilians. 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