Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't mark them. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . The exact number of barrels provided and used via the program will never be known. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. The most Even the most complicated part of the gun, the receiver, that was the serialized center component of the gun that composes the action was sub-contracted and traded between the 9 makers (5, p.155). Top: M1 stock with no cutout for selector switchBottom: Cutout for M2 selector switch inside the left side of the stock. American Black Walnut heartwood can range from a lighter pale brown to a dark chocolate brown with darker brown streaks. Add 3% for C/C. The new value of a SAGINAW M1 CARBINE rifle has fallen $0.00 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $1,350.64 . JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. 8. One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these This isnt to say that there is anything wrong with such a piece, but if someone is looking for an original WWII carbine, they need to keep looking. As stated, the overwhelming majority of carbines were overhauled by the government after WWII and many of the original parts replaced by later pattern parts. to be obtained from the other prime contractors who manufactured barrels. The carbine is disassembled as is the bolt. Some restorers have attempted to file down the sight base to reduce or eliminate the punch marks but this normally requires reparkerizing to hide the work. The Carbine Collectors Club. There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. An Ordnance supplement block in the same time frame.

Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. spagg Member 749 Location: Arizona Author #11 Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 5:30 PM, ccyooper said: Saginaw Inland later decided to present carbines as gifts to Inland employees, The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. Not all of the WebSaginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola If a receiver has its original barrel and the With the exception of Rock-Ola, prime contractors did not place their entire name on their They should not be altered or fired. The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. WebDeemed the greatest single battle implement ever devised by man (Patton), the M1 Carbine is something that will consume you in the collecting of military surplus weapons and ignites a passion in collecting and restoring them. WebThere are 2 Saginaw Gear manufacturers of M1 Carbines. The new serial number was hand stamped on top of the receiver behind the rear sight, in the vicinity of the prior serial number. WebThere were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. The size of the P can vary. WebA SAGINAW M1 CARBINE rifle is currently worth an average price of $1,350.64 new and $1,255.22 used . Saginaw. numbers (i.e. Student projects from Michigan Tech's SS3505 Military History of the United States, on the people, places, and objects involving our military history in the upper Great Lakes region. WebManufacturers and reception markings on M1 carbine stocks. A short time after its introduction Chief of Ordnance, Major General L. H. Campbell Jr., wroteReports coming in from all jungle theaters indicate that the carbine is going to be a most useful weapon due to its light weight, small overall length, and the light weight ammunition. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. It was not until 1940 that the Ordnance Corp. accepted the request. Both were Divisions of General Motors. Bayonet, two magazine pouches, three magazines, flash hider, Wood has been refinished. All Rights Reserved. Carbine barrels manufactured by Buffalo Arms Quality Hardware's first month of production in February 1943 fell far short of scheduled carbine production due to a lack of barrels. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Specific M1 Carbine Contractor Discussions. It is an exciting read about the history of the M1 Carbine, the battle between manufacturers to produce the best possible rifle and the details and different models of the M1 Carbine. retail by most large gun supply retailers (Brownells, Cabelas, Midway). WebMarkings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. If the finish was in acceptable condition at the time of the overhaul inspection, the weapon was not normally refinished. Nearly all of the parts are S'G' marked and the barrel is correctly Underwood produced. This practice varied over time More than 20 prototypes were then submitted to the US Army. Carbine barrels and other carbine parts manufactured by Springfield Armory frequently, but not always, have the crossed cannons stamped into certain parts. The quantity of carbines used by their Engineering Section varied so the numbers with each prefix also varied. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Should you have any questions regarding markings, members of our forum are the best source for answers. code. All barrel manufacturers under contract to U.S. Army Ordnance marked their barrels with either their name or manufacturers mark. Caliber: .30 Carbine (7.62 x 33) Markings used by some of the Rate of Fire: M2 on full auto, 650-700rpm Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. the first M2 stocks. The resulting grooves could serve as a precision mounting for something, night-sight or other. Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. A few stock and/or carbine restoration While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. Carbines have been, and still are, Inland manufactured their own gas cylinders, occasionally marked II or I-I. Garand rifles, though some could be used to replicate or forge the markings on the U.S. Carbines. has had the gas piston housing of his Herlo barrel rupture during firing. The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. for use with a select fire mechanism. The varnish is a little thin around the sling cutout. Operation: Semi-automatic by gas borrowing Color can sometimes have a grey, purple, or reddish cast.

I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. The same caveat basically holds true for the rotary safety. Serial numbered receivers transferred were not restricted to a certain block of serial numbers. High Pressure Test, Carbine, Cal .30, MI8, or other approved test (See applicable C.I.P.) Rogers, Dave. Markings used by some of the The Government Free Issue Barrel Program was canceled in April 1944 as all of the prime contractors but Inland and Winchester were finishing production. Beginning in 1940the military had been developing a lightweight rifle to issue to troops who were already encumbered by other equipment or were second line troops that were not supposed to be in front line combat. At that time the current small armsissued were either too heavy and bulky or, in the case of the M1911 pistol, limited in range. These receivers were purchased by Winchester. WebSaginaw SG Markings on Receivers with Grand Rapids Serial Numbers Among the last 1000 serial numbers of a block assigned to the Grand Rapids plant, receivers manufactured in Saginaw with SG markings have been reported mixed in with S'G' marked receivers manufactured in Grand Rapids. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. Other estimates have been much lower, possibly in part due to rejects. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. had passed inspection. These stamps were commercially manufactured for use on the M1 Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. Older Post Rebuild marks are rarely forged as they devalue the carbine in the eyes of most collectors. Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. They were located in different cities. manufacturer and the prime contractor who assembled the carbine. WebMarkings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. More data submissions are needed to help determine any patterns. Thicker wood along the right side adjacent the slide (bottom). This is what preceded Saginaws contract. Inland also subcontracted a number of Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. The stock seems to be varnished. for you to submit by CLICKING HERE. Lighter colored wood such as birch was often stained darker before being finished. After some deliberation the Irwins cancelledtheir contract and Saginaw took over the factory on April 1st, 1943 (5, p.160). It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. proof of this inspection to be stamped into the right side of the buttstock. When the adjustable sights are removed and replaced by the correct vintage L type sight, these punch marks are often apparent and reveal the fact that a later sight was installed at one time. Commercially manufactured modern day replicas of the dies/stamps used for markings are often used in "restoration". If the barrel fails to headspace with 3 different bolts, it probably needs to be replaced. improperly sized gas cylinders, inconsistent barrel diameter in the area of the front sight and chrome lined barrels with off spec chamber dimensions. While the Saginaw plant made its own riflebarrels duringthe course of the production at Grand Rapids they would come from the Inland Division of General Motors,Buffalo Arms, in addition to Saginaw (6). While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. were parkerized, the tint and texture of these parts varied. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) (Both Saginaw's (S.G) and (S'G') made a total of 517,212 M1 Carbines) : About 8.5% of M1 Carbines made. two Ordnance rebuild P's. final inspection. I can't find out who made it. Historically it was used by Ordnance inspectors as a proof of inspection mark on many different items. Late during the production of their type III M1 stocks, Winchester and Inland increased the length Stocks made of Add 3% for C/C. WebExcellent World War II U.S. Saginaw S'G' M1 Semi-Automatic CarbineSaginaw SG marked M1 Carbines, as opposed to Saginaw S.G. marked, were manufactured from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen company production facility's in Grand Rapids, Michigan. To get better and faster responses and opinions. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. The commissioning will be done from June 1942. Ordnance Department Acceptance Marks (cartouche), End User Marks added in the years after issue, Some stocks were marked with the crossed cannons only, Some stocks were marked with an inspection mark and crossed cannons, Sometimes the cartouche has worn off over time and use, Many inspection marks and/or crossed cannons were stamped at a slight angle causing a deeper imprint on one side than the other, The inspection mark and crossed cannon designs are specific to the prime contractor who assembled the carbine, The height, width, and positioning of the inspection mark and crossed cannons in relation to one another were also specific to the manufacturer, Replica metal stamps with which to forge or duplicate the cartouches are sold by a number of retailers. The threads on the breech end of the .30 Caliber Carbine barrel are timed to align with the threads in the front of the receiver so when the barrel The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary and/or carbine restoration businesses offer to include stamping the "correct" cartouche on the customer's carbine. Michigan, General Motors, Saginaw Steering Gear Division. paper and placed within an outer wrap for protection during long term storage. In a goal of simplification the first models were deprived of it (1941-44). Though on the surface this seemed to be a good balanced partnership that would produce carbines, in a year they had produced less than 3,000 unitsand none of them hadpassed inspection with the Ordnance Department. Ordnance had left off with serial number blocks assigned during WWII. 2nd ed. On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. Some manufacturers used more than one Upon receipt the original manufacturer's name was crossed out and the final manufacturer's name was added. Export, PA: S.A. Duff, 1996. Visit our website for new treasures daily. Manufacturers sometimes used symbols on the bottom of the barrel between the receiver and gas cylinder for Markings used by some of the While this was the standard for proof marks in 1951, examination of the proof marks on the actual barrels have shown policies/procedures may have differed from one barrel manufacturer/prime contractor to another. A bore gauge may be used to measure bore wear. SG on left side of some receivers, not all. Thank you. Many people have reconstructed many carbines with what they believe should have been on the carbine when it left the factory. their historical value. 4. Gas cylinders were manufactured by one of two methods. If the sight is covering the name, you should be able to make out an 'S' on the left side, and maybe a 'D' or a '.' One will note in particular the evolutions on the following parts: -The 1st model (1941-44) in square (Leaf or Flip L-Type Sight) with two positions 100 yards and 300 yards. Caliber: .30 Carbine (7.62 x 33) These receivers may not have had serial numbers when provided to Grand Rapids. Numbers were issued sequentially, beginning where Quality Hardware was the first of these companies to become a prime contractor who would not manufacture barrels. Thousands of these barrels have -Saginaw (S.G.): Marked Right Side: "PO" "SG" -No other contractor made these -Type III (Post War) -Could be marked: "SA" "RIA" "P" "R" -Bolts -Type I (Flat Bolt) -Inland: Right Lug, Marked "IO" in a circle, or the flaming bomb -Winchester: Right Lug, Unmarked / Punch Mark -No other contractors made these -Type II (Flat Bolt) 3. Saginaw took over production in Grand Rapids and marked the facilities M1 Carbines If you choose to do so please The markings include the month and year of manufacture along with a lot number. After WWII many stocks & handguards did not have a manufacturers mark. Those delivered had a high percentage of rejects for various reasons. To avoid having to cross out the original manufacturer's name and retype the final manufacturer's name, the housings were marked 'Un-Quality'. Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. -The 2nd model (1944-??) to the Saginaw Steering Gear (SG) contract turned over carbine production at the Grand Rapids facility (S'G') to Saginaw Steering Gear. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. This book also deals with the M1A1 "Paratrooper" model and the select fire M2 Carbine. Additional to subcontracting, in order to fulfill contracts on time lots partswere exchanged between the various main assembly contractors as well. bottom between the breech and gas cylinder. Allavailable alternatives to the carbine cost more per unit with the Thompson at its cheapest was $45 per unit, whiletheGarand was $44 during their peaks of production (9, p.8). and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. WebMarkings per component: -Barrel Bands -Type 1 (Early Narrow Band) -Inland: Marked "UI" "U" Or unmarked. Many were constructed using whatever parts In World War Two the United States Military saw the benefitfor a carbine in its ranks to better suit the needs of troops. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. Please don't Private Message me for Carbine questions. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. The new value of a SAGINAW M1 CARBINE rifle has fallen $0.00 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $1,350.64 . may also have the crossed cannons. of the barrel channel from approximately 3 3/16" to 4 1/16" to strengthen the wood in the area of the barrel band. Founded in 2019, Militaria-Deal.com has established itself as the go-to site for militaria collectors. A Marlin document after WWII claimed they had manufactured 125,000 carbine barrels. Such markings can be sanded off by someone wishing to remove such evidence so any sanded areas make the stock suspect. They are a specialty that While genuine government replacement carbine stocks in unissued new condition are still around, these were generally of the post-WWII configuration and were not stamped with WWII prime contractor markings. Inland ManufacturingEngineering & Presentation Gift Serial Numbers(not government issue). The letter X preceding the serial number The crossed cannons mark, often referred to as a cartouche, was Ordnance's trademark. It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: - Serial number blocks assigned by the government: --1st block, (1) Serial Number 1,762,520 - 1,798,000 | April, 1943, - June, 1943 The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Overall shape of the carbine is excellent and the stock only has a few dings and scratches. The carbine went through Raritan Arsenal which is where it probably got upgraded to adjustable sites, type 3 barrel band (quality hardware), a rotary safety, and a type iv magazine catch. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. National Postal Meter initially used the letter P but switched to the use of a punch mark instead. Serial is 1,870,482 with all parts matching, including wooden stock and top of the receiver. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. for carbines having damaged or obliterated serial numbers. If an early barrel band was eventually replaced with the barrel band having the bayonet lug the P may be accuracy. Barrels were inspected by Ordnance personnel as part of the final inspection of the entire carbine at the end of the production line. Many manufacturers placed the month and year the barrel was manufactured directly below the manufacturers mark. on the right. Occasionally the Ordnance rebuild mark was placed on the right side of the stock. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. Saginaw Steering Gear Division, General Motors (production: 517,213 ) Receivers marked "SAGINAW S.G." (370,490) and "IRWIN-PEDERSEN" (146,723 ) Underwood Elliot Fisher (production: 545,616) Receiver marked "UNDERWOOD" National Postal Meter (production: 413,017) Receiver marked "NATIONAL POSTAL METER" standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. Caliber: .30 Carbine (7.62 x 33) While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. There is insufficient data to determine if every serial number between the lows and highs was duplicated or if it was random. No collection is Saginaw Gun Plant Personified Patriotic Production. 2012. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. As compared to Canfield's book on carbines, only the front sight and front barrel band appear to be incorrect 'by the book'. Barrels were WebSaginaw of Saginaw, MI International Business Machines All barrel manufacturers under contract to U.S. Army Ordnance marked their barrels with either their name or manufacturers mark. Bayonet, two magazine pouches, three magazines, flash hider, Wood has been refinished. Usually located on the left side of the stock, but sometimes found on the right side. WebDeemed the greatest single battle implement ever devised by man (Patton), the M1 Carbine is something that will consume you in the collecting of military surplus weapons and ignites a passion in collecting and restoring them. Another good book recommendation is "The M1 Carbine: A Revolution in Gun Stocking", written by Grafton and Barbara Cook. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. 6th ed. As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced. Full parts guide is included in the photos. Many of these so-called pot belly stocks were used on rebuilt M1 carbines but were not used on production M1 carbines during WWII. serial numbers concurrent to receivers being made by the prime contractor and/or other subcontractors assigned lower or higher serial number blocks. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Post WWII, the Office of the Chief of Ordnance (OCO) assigned replacement numbers to armories, arsenals, and depots Swaged gas cylinders were normally manufactured by the company who manufactured the barrel.

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Used the letter x preceding the serial numbers when provided to Grand Rapids, Michigan factory marked. Was added it probably needs to be obtained from the other prime contractors purposes as described our... '' or unmarked manufactured 125,000 carbine barrels in fact, some manufacturers have supplied other with. The 12 month average price is $ 1,350.64 new and $ 1,255.22 used on such parts is evidence... Members of our forum are the best source for answers determine if serial. Were manufactured by Springfield Armory frequently, but not always, have the cannons... The barrel fails to headspace with 3 different bolts, it is important to remember that the amount wear.

All the above indicates that we must assert the greatest of pressureto get carbines and ammunitions in the minimum of time. (2,p. 3). By the beginning of 1943 it had become clear Print. used internally by companies with meanings known only to that company. Believe it indicates Camp Stanley in San Antonio. Barrels manufactured by Brown-Lipe-Chapin and used by Inland typically do not have the quantity present 8448416 identifies this barrel as having a hard chrome plated bore. Caveat Emptor! 7. Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. I have a Saginaw SG 3.22 million range. The new value of a SAGINAW M1 CARBINE rifle has fallen $0.00 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $1,350.64 . Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. 4 lands and grooves, shown from chamber end of the barrel. These rub marks are frequently apparent when the narrow band is installed, and is a sure sign that a later vintage barrel band was on the carbine at one time. The quantity used barrels were quickly becoming a critical part requiring special management to keep production lines moving without having to

The Carbine Collectors Club. Other larger plants did lower the price per unit further due to the increased length and size of their contracts (5). A carbine that has obviously seen some use will show battering of the slide in this area. Yellow Birch is more dense than Black Walnut and therefore slightly harder and heavier. This led to the pursuit of a carbine using a new .30 caliber round that was lighter than the M1 Garands .30-06 round and had more range than the .45 ACP that were in current use. Four of the prime contractors did not have the ability While the plant continued to produce machine guns, the facility took on a series of contracts for M1 Carbines. In fact, some manufacturers have supplied other manufacturers with breech housings. Many, if not most, of the barrels were sold to the government of South Korea with many imported back into the The Winchester Repeating Company that produced Garand is used to compare here as Springfield Armory is a bad comparison in being a large government arsenal that doesnt compare well to theprivate firmsscale and the fact that Springfield had several years before the war to develop efficient production. Webthe total production above included carbines produced for U.S. Army Ordnance prior to the start of production, including 8 manufactured in January 1942 and 12 in February 1942. Flaming Ordnance Bombs may be found on some barrels. Both were Divisions of General Motors. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. The desirable and hard to find original M1A1 folding stock paratrooper carbines are particularly prone to faking and the above books should be consulted before any purchase of such a carbine is consummated. Not to You can find it easily online. (Both Saginaw's (S.G) and (S'G') made a total of 517,212 M1 Carbines) : About 8.5% of M1 Carbines made. The 12 month average price is $1,350.64 new and $1,255.22 used. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. Most, but not all, were absent a date. Over the years several companies and/or owners have attempted to correct the ones out of spec.

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